Evolution?

personally, i think its the dumbest thing i have ever heard in my life...but i was curious to see how many of you all think its real or not


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I believe god put us here and we evolved.

I believe there is a greater force maybe god yet still believe in evolution

I believe in evolution not god.
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Zitat von Wookiee

personally, i think its the dumbest thing i have ever heard in my life...but i was curious to see how many of you all think its real or not


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I think god is the dumbest thing i have ever heard in my life.

You know the Catholic Church used to say that a heliocentric system/universe was the dumbest thing they heard.

Look how wrong they are.

Religious moron.

I love the old church..they weren't too sharp.

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Zitat von Wookiee

personally, i think its the dumbest thing i have ever heard in my life

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You have just proven three things to me.

1. You are a Christian fundamentalist.
2. You know nothing about the theory of evolution.
3. You have blindly bought into the anti-evolution propaganda that you've been fed, rather than actually investigating the facts yourself.

And therefore, I have nothing to say to you.

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personally, i think its the dumbest thing i have ever heard in my life...but i was curious to see how many of you all think its real or not


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Then please explain vestigial structures in living creatures, an example of this is the now vestigial gene that produces vitamin C in most other mammals but has been disabled in the human genome. If humans were created as is by a divine being then why are there useless parts in our body?

Gravity is just a theory too.

But I bet you wouldn't walk off the edge of a cliff.

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Then please explain vestigial structures in living creatures, an example of this is the now vestigial gene that produces vitamin C in most other mammals but has been disabled in the human genome. If humans were created as is by a divine being then why are there useless parts in our body?

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What do you mean useless? I use my tail bone quite often.

...coccyx

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What do you mean useless? I use my tail bone quite often.

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I don't see you activating a disabled gene and producing some vitamin C though, do I?

LOL. I guess not.

The appendix in humans proves evolution.

Since it serves virtually no purpose and often needs to be removed after becoming inflamed it has been becoming progressively smaller in each generation and is predicted that eventually we will be born without one.

Evolution at work.

Evolution = scientific. People that are EXTREMELY against it, obviously need to think of something outside of what the Bible tells them. I hate it when extremists question such things.....

And Mister chief is right.....the appendix and our coccyx are 2 things that are destined to prove evolution. Yet....extremists act like they're deaf and keep on goin' about in complete gibberish.

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Zitat von Wookiee

personally, i think its the dumbest thing i have ever heard in my life...but i was curious to see how many of you all think its real or not


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Personally, I think this is the dumbest thread I've ever seen in my life. But I was just curious to see if such ignorance still exsisted. Clearly, it is.

You phail at life...

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You have just proven three things to me.

1. You are a Christian fundamentalist.
2. You know nothing about the theory of evolution.
3. You have blindly bought into the anti-evolution propaganda that you've been fed, rather than actually investigating the facts yourself.

And therefore, I have nothing to say to you.

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actually i used to believe in evolution, i know alot about it, it makes no sense.
its a desperate attempt to get god out of our life, which is sad, there is clear evidence that GOD is here, not just any god, the christian God. the fact that the Bible was written thousands of years ago, and has scientific truth in it that todays scientist's have recently discovered is proof enough.
you think that animals 'slowely' evolved over time, but have not found any links between man and ape, house cat and tiger, dinosaur and bird, you guys have no idea how dumb you sound on the discovery channel(and i love the channel) but you sound like fools. ive made my conclusion because i once believed in it, you guys make yours without ever reading the Bible, you follow everyone else in the world, and for that your fools for not making your own opinion.
some old guy gos to an island and sees swimming iguanas and a giant tortoise, and makes up a simple theory, an interesting theory, but a false theory that has many holes. if anyone here had any sort of brain, they could figure out that some guy, over 100 years ago went to an island, without any of the knowlege we know today, and came up with a theory, its what people do...think, Darwin was a smart man, dont get me wrong, but people can be wrong sometimes.

(i still believe in adaptation, but not a complete change in an organism over time)

You couldn't possible be any more wrong or inept at trying to make an argument for your case.

You will come back and realize eventually that what you have written here was clearly in the wrong and it will shame you to acknowledge your false statements.

I bet you live in the south too.

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but have not found any links between man and ape

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COCCYX.
COCCYX.
COCCYX.
COCCYX.
COCCYX.
COCCYX.
COCCYX.
COCCYX.

No link, huh?

And nice work ignoring my previous post, couldn't find an argument against it?

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You couldn't possible be any more wrong or inept at trying to make an argument for your case.

You will come back and realize eventually that what you have written here was clearly in the wrong and it will shame you to acknowledge your false statements.

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lol prod and make fun of now, but one day you'll see you were wrong


anyone heard of the second law of thermodynamics? theres creations proof...

before birds evolved to fly south, they were doomed.
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The appendix in humans proves evolution.

Since it serves virtually no purpose and often needs to be removed after becoming inflamed it has been becoming progressively smaller in each generation and is predicted that eventually we will be born without one.

Evolution at work.

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doctors have stopped removing the appendix because recent discoverys have led them to believe it has to do with the immune system, nice try, quit listening to your evolution buddies.

I'm not going to say anything except look up at the poll you made. Isn't this already proof enough for you to know you're wrong?

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Then please explain vestigial structures in living creatures, an example of this is the now vestigial gene that produces vitamin C in most other mammals but has been disabled in the human genome. If humans were created as is by a divine being then why are there useless parts in our body?

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From the beginning, Adam and Eve were not created with a biochemical pathway for making vitamin C and were dependent on eating fruit, the best source of vitamin C. We know they were instructed to eat any fruit in the Garden of Eden except fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and yet had access to the Tree of Life. Adam and Eve lived in an environment with many similarities to heaven. However, unlike those in heaven, Adam and Eve were commanded to be fruitful and multiply, and produce young. Human reproduction would require nutrients to build tissues for the child during and after pregnancy, an indication that Adam and Eve had to eat to provide for their developing children and also for the maintenance of their own bodies.

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From the beginning, Adam and Eve were not created with a biochemical pathway for making vitamin C and were dependent on eating fruit, the best source of vitamin C. We know they were instructed to eat any fruit in the Garden of Eden except fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and yet had access to the Tree of Life. Adam and Eve lived in an environment with many similarities to heaven. However, unlike those in heaven, Adam and Eve were commanded to be fruitful and multiply, and produce young. Human reproduction would require nutrients to build tissues for the child during and after pregnancy, an indication that Adam and Eve had to eat to provide for their developing children and also for the maintenance of their own bodies.

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Wait so you are saying the human race came about to huge amounts of incest?

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Wait so you are saying the human race came about to huge amounts of incest?

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im saying, though your going to prod and make fun of me(like i care), that its a reminder to us to be dependant on god, like were dependant on fruit for vitamin c, something your clearly not dependant on, but its not my problem...i tried

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doctors have stopped removing the appendix because recent discoverys have led them to believe it has to do with the immune system, nice try, quit listening to your evolution buddies.

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Your argument makes no sense.

That doesn't change the fact that it is decreasing in size in everyone no matter if they need to have it removed later in life or not.

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im saying, though your going to prod and make fun of me(like i care), that its a reminder to us to be dependant on god, like were dependant on fruit for vitamin c, something your clearly not dependant on, but its not my problem...i tried

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But you believe the story of Adam and Eve actually happened. Now there were the only two humans so the only way to go from having two humans to having over 6.5 billion humans is at some point there must be huge amounts of incestuous breeding.
We all know the complications involved with babies conceived through incest so how could the human race survive (as in the human genome not becoming completely degraded) centuries of incest until eventually the population fleshed out enough so that there was a significant difference between families and there could be non incestuous breeding.

From a religious point of view this throws up more problems because I'm sure whatever religion you are you don't think incest is right but it's through incest that your religion explains the origins of man?

Also you still haven't explained why there are remnants of a gene to produce vitamin C in our genome, a gene that also happens to be present in almost every other mammal fully activated.

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Then please explain vestigial structures in living creatures, an example of this is the now vestigial gene that produces vitamin C in most other mammals but has been disabled in the human genome. If humans were created as is by a divine being then why are there useless parts in our body?

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like how males have nipples? :p

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I believe god put us here and we evolved.

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More or less my thoughts as well.

And to those of you calling religious people "morons" you do know that's that's pretty offensive to those of us who have a religion.

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actually i used to believe in evolution, i know alot about it, it makes no sense.

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I use to be Christian, read the bible went to church weekly.... thank god I am atheist now... I SEE THE TRUTH

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More or less my thoughts as well.

And to those of you calling religious people "morons" you do know that's that's pretty offensive to those of us who have a religion.

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Well, hey, if you're going to believe in stuff that's not true, what do you expect?

Religion is utterly useless... Sorry if you're offended, but no body's telling you to believe what you believe.

Now, I'm saying this from the perspective of an atheist and I've never BEEN Christian, but Christianity and Evolution are not mutually exclusive. Adam & Eve Creationism and Evolution are mutually exclusive, but most of Genesis is metaphorical, something that Christian fundamentalists actively deny. The Bible was written by humans. But I digress. Evolution has outstanding evidence, and Creationism has no evidence.

Also, the coccyx isn't a vestigial structure. It attaches to nine muscles and keeps them in place.

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doctors have stopped removing the appendix because recent discoverys have led them to believe it has to do with the immune system, nice try, quit listening to your evolution buddies.

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hmmm, from what I understood the appendix used to be a special digestive system that was specialized for certain things like wood fiber that was hard to digest.

But I can't remember where I read that...

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hmmm, from what I understood the appendix used to be a special digestive system that was specialized for certain things like wood fiber that was hard to digest.

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Also, the coccyx isn't a vestigial structure. It attaches to nine muscles and keeps them in place.

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I may have just learned two new things!

That was one theory, I'm not sure it's ever been proven. The theory was, more specifically, that the appendix was a structure that human ancestors used it to digest cellulose.

Also, it's interesting to note that even termites can't digest wood fiber on their own. Rather, there is a symbiotic strain of bacteria in their stomachs that digests it.

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actually i used to believe in evolution, i know alot about it, it makes no sense.

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No, you don't know a lot about it, or you'd BELIEVE IT. The utter nonsense that you say in your post is proof that you DON'T know anything about evolution.

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its a desperate attempt to get god out of our life, which is sad

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Evolution has nothing to do with God, for or against.

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there is clear evidence that GOD is here, not just any god, the christian God.

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Give it to me, please.

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the fact that the Bible was written thousands of years ago, and has scientific truth in it that todays scientist's have recently discovered is proof enough.

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Oh, that's F*CKING BULLSH*T.

The Bible makes blatantly false statements, such as saying that the earth is fixed and unmoving, and that the rest of the universe rotates around it.

And the fact that a 2000-year-old book had BASIC SCIENTIFIC FACTS right means NOTHING.

Guess what? The Chronicles of NARNIA contains scientific fact.

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you think that animals 'slowely' evolved over time, but have not found any links between man and ape, house cat and tiger, dinosaur and bird, you guys have no idea how dumb you sound on the discovery channel(and i love the channel) but you sound like fools.

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Man and ape? Oops, LOTS of evidence. Idiot.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0307214554.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1157536.stm
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2006/0...20060920150030
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Nov18.html
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...23/MN62659.DTL

House cat and tiger? Are you SERIOUSLY going to deny that they're related? Holy F*CK.

Dinosaur and bird? One word: Archaeopteryx. Oops, wrong again.

Here, have a nice long list of transitional fossils that you, in your COMPLETE IGNORANCE about evolution, actually believe we've never found.

That's f*cking unbelievable.

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you guys make yours without ever reading the Bible, you follow everyone else in the world, and for that your fools for not making your own opinion.

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I've READ the Bible, douchebag. It makes NO SENSE if taken literally and CONTRADICTS observable facts about reality.

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some old guy gos to an island and sees swimming iguanas and a giant tortoise, and makes up a simple theory, an interesting theory, but a false theory that has many holes.

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Darwin didn't see turtles, you stupid douche. He observed the variations in species of finches on the island.

Guess what? New species of finch arise on the Galapagos Islands within FIVE GENERATIONS. TODAY. That's OBSERVED EVOLUTION. It's REALITY. GET OVER IT.

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if anyone here had any sort of brain, they could figure out that some guy, over 100 years ago went to an island, without any of the knowlege we know today, and came up with a theory, its what people do...think, Darwin was a smart man, dont get me wrong, but people can be wrong sometimes.

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Yes. Yes, you can be wrong.

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(i still believe in adaptation, but not a complete change in an organism over time)

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A long series of adaptation over millions of years would be a complete change. DUH.

Even in modern human beings, there are at least 5 NEW GENE VARIATIONS created in each generation that the parents did not have. And that's PER FAMILY.

Like I said, you know NOTHING about evolution.

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anyone heard of the second law of thermodynamics? theres creations proof...

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I'd love to see you try to explain that argument. I'm sure that you've just been told to say that, and you don't know why.

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before birds evolved to fly south, they were doomed.

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Flying south isn't an evolutionary behavior. It's an INSTINCT.

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doctors have stopped removing the appendix because recent discoverys have led them to believe it has to do with the immune system, nice try, quit listening to your evolution buddies.

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Absolutely not true. I had mine removed last year.

The fact that you have to LIE to support your case isn't surprising at all. Lies and truth-twisting are the only ways to support creationism.

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Human reproduction would require nutrients to build tissues for the child during and after pregnancy, an indication that Adam and Eve had to eat to provide for their developing children and also for the maintenance of their own bodies.

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I'll ignore the rest of your BS and just ask what the hell you're trying to prove here.

That a woman needs to eat to keep her baby healthy?

DUH.

Wookiee, here's what you need to realize.

THE BIBLE IS NOT A SCIENCE BOOK. It's a STORYBOOK meant to inspire us to lead better lives.

It cannot be the literal word of God because it says things that aren't true. If it were God's literal word, it COULD NOT be wrong. But it is.

I predict several potential actions from you now:

1. Flat denial of the evidence I provided, thus proving that you're delusional and you consider science to be anti-Christian.
2. Complaints about how we haven't found more transitional fossils. A.k.a. Zeno's arrow paradox - add another transitional fossil and you're creating two new gaps, one on each side. Despite the fact that the mere existence of fossils is statistically astonishing if you consider the sort of conditions needed to create and sustain them.
3. Claims that the Bible is not scientifically inaccurate, but instead that science is wrong.

BTW, here's the progress we've made finding transitional fossils.

Known hominin species and their estimated period of existence, as of 1850
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...inins_1850.png

As of 1900
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...inins_1900.png

As of 1950
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...inins_1950.png

As of 2002
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...inins_2002.png

And you said we hadn't found ANY. LOL. Idiot.

OMG Freeplay you are the pwnage....:) I still remember that stuff from Biology last year :D. Human Evolution is really interesting.
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actually i used to believe in evolution, i know alot about it, it makes no sense.
its a desperate attempt to get god out of our life, which is sad, there is clear evidence that GOD is here, not just any god, the christian God. the fact that the Bible was written thousands of years ago, and has scientific truth in it that todays scientist's have recently discovered is proof enough.
you think that animals 'slowely' evolved over time, but have not found any links between man and ape, house cat and tiger, dinosaur and bird, you guys have no idea how dumb you sound on the discovery channel(and i love the channel) but you sound like fools. ive made my conclusion because i once believed in it, you guys make yours without ever reading the Bible, you follow everyone else in the world, and for that your fools for not making your own opinion.
some old guy gos to an island and sees swimming iguanas and a giant tortoise, and makes up a simple theory, an interesting theory, but a false theory that has many holes. if anyone here had any sort of brain, they could figure out that some guy, over 100 years ago went to an island, without any of the knowlege we know today, and came up with a theory, its what people do...think, Darwin was a smart man, dont get me wrong, but people can be wrong sometimes.

(i still believe in adaptation, but not a complete change in an organism over time)

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Are you one of those people who hate Pokemon because it uses evolution? OMG the Charmander evolved WTF should I do?
Plus, please do us all a favor of spelling and using punctuation correctly, if you are going to try to argue with some intelligence.

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Evolution has nothing to do with God, for or against.

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I go with that statement...

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1. Flat denial of the evidence I provided, thus proving that you're delusional and you consider science to be anti-Christian.
2. Complaints about how we haven't found more transitional fossils. A.k.a. Zeno's arrow paradox - add another transitional fossil and you're creating two new gaps, one on each side. Despite the fact that the mere existence of fossils is statistically astonishing if you consider the sort of conditions needed to create and sustain them.
3. Claims that the Bible is not scientifically inaccurate, but instead that science is wrong.

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4. Knows he is wrong so doesn't post in the thread again.

Probably the best option of all.

Freeplay done did it again